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skepticism. >> and what i mean, yeah, what are the implications of that? i mean, i know a truth social post is not something in a core, but the implication is that what they did file but what the court has ally >> yeah, it's a statement by one of the parties. it's well within the court's discretion to take that into consideration for sure. >> and so le what what do you hazard happens on monday? >> so important to know donald trump will still have his right to appeal the underlying case and verdict itself, regardless of the bond. but here's why it matters. if donald trump does somehow get a bond together by monday, then he does not have to pay the judgment. then letitia james can enforce the judgment until after the appeals done. if he fails to post a bond, letitia james james can start collecting on that judgment on monday. >> on monday. all right? >> thank you very much. >> there we go. >> and our special coverage >> continues. now

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terror attacks in russia. 40 dead at this hour. well over 100 injured gunman storming a concert hall isis is claiming responsibility, and russia says the gunman are on the loose more news just into out fraud are phil mattingly reporting trump is quote, scrambling and increasingly theories is the deadline to pay half 1 billion is one business day away inside the campaign's some tonight saying it would be good for trump and his properties were seized. let's go out front good evening and welcome to a special edition of outfront. i'm erin burnett and tonight, kate middleton has cancer. the shocking announcement from the princess of wales following more than three months of speculation surrounding her health and whereabouts. now, middleton was admitted to the hospital for abdominal surgery

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related to his still unspecified medical condition on january 16 and then she disappeared from public view. >> that >> eventually sparked the frenzy of rumors and conspiracy theories which were running rife but tonight, a frail looking kate chose to address the world by herself to the camera >> i wanted to take this opportunity to say, thank you personally for all the wonderful messages of support and for your understanding maasai being we're from surgery it has been. an incredibly tough couple of months for our entire family but i've had a fantastic medical team who've taken great care of me for which i'm so grateful in january, i underwent major domino surgery in london and at the time, it was thought that my condition was non-cancerous the surgery was successful. however, tests after the operation, fan cancer had been present my medical team therefore advise that i

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should undergo a course of preventive chemotherapy and i'm now in the early stages of that treatment. this of course came as a huge shock. and william and i have been doing everything we can to process and manage this privately for the sake of my young family as you can imagine, this has taken time it has taken me time to recover from major surgery in order to start my treatment. but most importantly, it is taken as time to explain everything to george charlotte and louis in a way that's appropriate for them. and to reassure them that i'm going to be okay. as i've said to them, i am well and getting stronger every day by focusing on the things that will help me heal. in my mind, body, and spirit having william by my side is a great source of comfort and reassurance to as, as the love, support, and kindness that is being shown by so many of you it means so much trust both >> we

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>> hope that you'll understand that as a family. we now need some time space and purposely while i complete my treatment my work has always bought me a deep sense of joy. and i look forward to being back when i'm able but for now, i must focus on making a full recovery. at this time. i'm also thinking of all those whose lives have been affected by cancer for everyone facing this disease in whatever form, please do not lose faith or hope you are not alone >> those words or give solace to many. and that was the full public statement from the palace. and of course, francis kate delivering it herself. now, while she is not specifying what kind of cancer she has or what the surgery was that caused doctors to find it cnn is learning tonight that you started chemotherapy in late february and richard quest is out front live outside buckingham palace. and richard,

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what are you learning about princess kate condition? >> we're learning that basically we don't know, as you said, what were the cause for the major abdominal surgery? by medical experts are saying that clearly she'd had a raft of tests beforehand which had led them to need to do that surgery. now, the process again, we're not sure how many weeks or months it will be but we all basically being told not to expect a running commentary that the medical privacy that everybody is entitled to, she is entitled to absolutely. as well and what that means in reality is her saying and this is a significant point of what she did today. she's scorched the conspiracy theorists. she made those who had made such a fuss about the doctored photograph maybe feel a little ashamed of themselves having to deal with all of this while she

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was dealing with cat with with cancer she's basically said my family and william, they are the priority to get. well and doing all of that >> she >> sort of creates a maelstrom for everybody else in a sense, because we now have to make sure that we give her that space, that she requires requests and do and is entitled hey, told to the problem aaron is not so much the media in the uk. it is, for example, a paparazzi. those who has influences those social media hounds who will go to any lengths to try and get more information. and those who then consume it all right, that's absolutely true. >> all right. richard, please stay with us. i want to bring in dr. karen goodman. she's a gastrointestinal ecology specialist at mount sinai. and emily nash, royal correspondent at hello magazine, along with dr. jonathan reiner, professor of medicine and surgery at george washington university.

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so dr. goodman let me just start part off with you. we don't have a statement on what form of cancer this may be. we know she went in for abdominal surgery. we don't know what that was for, whether that was separate. we just we just don't know we know on the other side of that, they found cancer to be present and that's that's what we know >> what does this >> suggest to you in terms of what this may be the that she is dealing with >> so we really can't say anything definitive based on the limited information but we do know that she had an abdominal surgery and so that's and then in the aftermath of evaluating the findings, they did identify identify a cancer we don't know the type of cancer. there are lots of different potential cancers, but she is receiving chemotherapy and she used the word preventive chemotherapy. so our hope is that that means that the tumor has been removed entirely. and now she's receiving this type of chemotherapy that we call adjuvant therapy, which is used in the setting of somebody having their cancer completely

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removed okay. that's interesting. and that word preventative, dr. reiner did stand out too many preventive chemotherapy >> right? >> but again, we don't really know the full context of how the using the chemotherapy for the princess so for instance, if the tumor could be completely removed, but the microscopic evaluation of the pathology specimen suggested that the tumor was fairly invasive into the whatever organ or structure it has been affected by the cancer or that some of the blood vessels might be affected. it would raise the specter of a higher risk of a potential for spread and metastasis, which would trigger a more aggressive treatment posture. going forward so prevented if i think is used basically to portray a sense that all is well, we're just

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doing this in the interest of caution but again, i think we don't really have the details and we have really have no way of knowing exactly the extent of the princesses presentation. >> no. not at all. and emily, i want to play the video again where kate specifically says i am well, but look, it is clear that she is going through a lot. i mean, she she looks she looks frail. she looks like she is not well and you of course, have covered the world's extensively. you have seen her many times times over the years. >> how does she look to you >> well, erin, i think you're right to say she does look frail, looks physically vulnerable. i felt but that's also partly because it very natural. she's not wearing much makeup. she's in casual clothing. she's in an informal setting. it's very different to the kate we've seen out on engagements dressed up for official royal events but at the same time, i felt that she

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came across as incredibly strong and courageous she's very confident in the way she spoke. this is someone who is really struggled with public speaking in the past. yeah. she was >> very clear in her >> message and that she ended it giving hope to other people i thought was particularly brave >> and richard, what do you know at this point about the timing of this announcement? >> the timing is significant because they wanted to time it took for the end of the school term, the schools are now on holiday for easter because according to sources, well, they didn't want was the children school with everybody talking about jason if all of this come out earlier in the week or last week, then there have been entire borough within the school yard and people chatting about that kate's

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condition. now by announcing it today the family has the school holidays and we don't know whether they've traveled. we don't know whether they're staying at home or what their plans are, obviously, but they have a chance to be together in that sense. one other point, the king today, who of course is suffering his own prostate cancer issues. the king, king charles came out and said, how proud it walls of his beloved kate for the way in which she had handled the announcement. so that is a significant the royal family coming together in a sentence yeah >> very notable >> detrick kensington palace originally one thing i think that has caused confusion and they're and so much speculation out there that even while of course you're entitled to privacy because you are the most photograph woman in the world and going to be the queen >> people care >> kensington palace previously, it's that her surgery was not cancer-related. they were actually very specific to say that i'm not

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saying it's not true. it's just of course, afterwards then they found cancer. but what does that say to you? i mean, does that say i mean, to say it was not cancer would seem to indicate that it was really about something totally different, not just checking a mass to see if it was cancer, right? >> i think it's suggests that they didn't anticipate this going into it and that there must have been some finding or symptom that led to the surgery, but that but this is not uncommon that you have a surgical situation and then in the aftermath of that and doing the pathology, reviewing it under the microscope or collecting the fluid or blood that there is identification of a cancer. and so we still don't know what type of cancer that is and it also takes time to get those results. the pathology takes some time to come back. and then i would imagine they would have done some something like molecular testing to further characterize the cancer, which again we can take some time, so it may have been over a several week period that they really the information came out to the bottom of it. and of course,

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she would of course, had the ability to avail herself with every single possible thing out there dr. reiner, when you look at it, you think it's unlikely she's an early stage cancer, which is different than the early stage chemotherapy that she talked about. qian talk about what stage cancer she's in but i know that you have skepticism, but it may be early why >> well, i think that what we know for certain is that she had by her own description, very extensive operation, which the palace said in january would take a few months for her to recover from the should be out of the public eye. not do her heard her duties until easter, which is next next week. all right. so we know she had an extensive surgical procedure requiring a lot of rehab and now we hear that she also needs as dr. goodman says, adjuvant chemotherapy, which is really reserved for either tumors that are felt to be potentially very aggressive or have a high risk of spread so

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while i hope and i expect that she did have a very good operation and a very complete surgical procedure. the need now for chemotherapy is very concerning >> dr. goodman, is that when you when you look at that, is it possible that that is a concern at this point? >> well, we don't know the stage and there's certain factors that we take into account when may decide on giving chemotherapy. and so also what type of cancer it is it's hard to really speculate exactly what the stages or but she must have some risks that there's potential for this to recur and that's why that they are adding that the chemotherapy right? >> otherwise they wouldn't do it if there weren't a risk. >> and we'll get one thing when you look at this >> and you talked about how she chose to appear in casual clothes in a more relaxed setting. all of that obviously on purpose, every word was thought through in this, she also chose to appear by herself without william, although of course she referenced to

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support what can you you tell us about that decision >> but i think it really speaks to her still leanness. i think people underestimate the prints because she's fairly 50 spoken she's quiet, reserved she's naturally very shy person, but she is an incredibly strong and my understanding is that he had complete agency over this decision. and the way that this announcement was made, and it was absolutely done on her terms. now, that would have been in conjunction with william. they are very much a team and they're absolute priority throughout this has been to

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>> fine. the injured number has already gone up by 50% in nearly 150 and there are reports that the gunman are still on the run we also have new details tonight on how the royal family is responding differences. kate's cancer diagnosis are nicht wide. it's actually been covering the royals for years i will show you the path of k daughter of an airline pilot and a flight attendant to the princess of wales, and our fill mattingly with some new reporting exclusive reporting to break this hour about how trump is scrambling and furious as he is in these final hours trying to secure a $464,000,000 bond this year.

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to request your free quote anderson cooper 360 tonight at eight on cnn >> breaking news tonight, terror in moscow, at least 40 are dead well, over 100 injured and that toll is expected get to rise tonight. gunman storming a concert hall, and isis is now claiming responsibility for the attack. we have some new video just into out front and i want to warn you, it is incredibly disturbing >> here are the >> the automatic gunfire.

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>> it's >> people start to run you start to see people panicking and understanding that they need to run for their lives just to that person running and falling just the terror. the terror there. >> what we understand >> happened at this time, and the details are still very foggy, but these are the latest details we're just getting in that were were four menn carrying automatic rifles? they stormed the concert hall. i'm surveillance video footage that we're showing you now you can see them, see that, man, they're walking across. so you can see one of them we've been able to piece some of this together. what we do understand from what reading from russian authorities is that the government are still at large tonight least as far as we understand it. >> and now >> here's another video we want to show you that's coming out also disturbing this shows them moving inside >> you can >> see the shooter's look at that gun, just shooting. that man there moving inside. there was a band that was based about to perform in that room. so

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then we understand what happened was they went up and we're shooting concert goers at point-blank range. what are they going up and shooting people, murdering them in the head. then tossing molotov co*cktails into the crowd. gunshots, explosions constant, unrelenting. a people inside say that they were trapped, they were unable to escape because the exit doors were locked. and then after all of this for the terrorists, at least as we understand that that's what they're calling themselves the concert hall then was set on fire. >> so >> then the roof is engulfed in flames. you see that from the distance there parts of it start to collapse. and this is why we are so uncertain as to how many people are killed and seriously injured at this hour, of course, well into the early hours of saturday morning. now in moscow let's go fred

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pleitgen is out front and fred, what more can you tell us about this attack as you're starting to get more details in. >> and who did it >> hi there aaron. yeah. first of all, absolutely. horrendous attack took place there in the town of cross snow gore's, which is actually a sort of a suburb of moscow. i actually used to go there quite regularly. so these would have been a lot of people who might have lived in the greater moscow area who were at that venue on a friday night. obviously, in that case, a lot of people would have been there and you mentioned there was that band that was famous in the soviet union that was about to play that band remained unharmed, of course, as we've learned now, the latest that we found we just gotten some new numbers from russian authorities. they said that right now the number of wounded stands at 115. of course, we've got the number of killed at the moment is at 40, but the authorities do fear that that could rise as well and you were speaking about just the absolute terror that the people there wind through as these gunmen stormed that area where they some new video of what unfolded that night, because

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people were trying to take cover as those gunman move through. you talked about the unrelenting fire that was taking place and then people tried to actually break windows and did break windows to get out of the building because of course, this is a new building with a lot of large glass facades. they tried to get out that way because it was so difficult for them to get out. again, there are those reports saying that apparently some of the emergency doors may have been locked now, we have not heard from vladimir putin tonight, which is quite remarkable considering what a big security event this was the only thing that we have is from his spokesman, dmitry peskov coming out and sing the russian leader is being informed about what's going on. but as we speak right now, the russian authorities do believe that the perpetrators are still at large they believe they may have fled in a white car. and of course, you're absolutely right. a lot of the operations are still ongoing there to not only trying to continue, put that fire out, which has helicopters involved in it, but again, the authorities not clear if the

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attackers might still be in that area. and of course, also, if there might still be people trapped inside that venue, aaron. >> yeah. i mean, there's still they just there's so much that they don't know. never mind out what we don't know, but that that lack of knowledge, of course, is terrifying in its own right, fred, thank you very much. so let's go now to the, to bob baer, former cia operative and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling. and i appreciate both of you very much. so general, can i start with you immediately? russia blamed ukraine, right? and mentioned kyiv and the implication of they did it and so that's going to maybe justify escalating and enlarging the war. but then isis within hours claims responsibility what do you make of that >> yeah. aaron, you have to consider the fact that russia has a terrorist watch list, just like we do. the united states, they had a terrorist organizations like the mujahideen forces of caucuses

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congress of people have dagestan al-qaeda isis and isis day and recently there have been a lot of comments from ices k. in fact, west point counter-terrorism center published an article a few months ago citing i says k saying that moscow has muslim blood on their hands and they have connected with chechnya, syria, and afghanistan in now that muslim blood, so when they first start, when russia first started saying it was a result of an attack by ukraine even just watching the early films on the internet, i said no, no, no way this is ukrainian action. they don't do things like this and there's no purpose to this, but there is a purpose to it. terrorist organization doing something like that. and being so brazen in terms of going into that crocus center, which is fred pyle, i can just said is not only a theater, but it's a shopping mall on the outskirts of moscow. and it looked like as those fill as a film progressed, that these were actions of terrorists very

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brazen murderers shooting, as you said, point blank rank. >> and i want everyone to understand what you're looking at it, your screen here. this is not a video, this is live. this is actually what is happening live right now near moscow, right outside that shopping center in concert venue where this occurred. so you can still see some of the flashing lights >> but i want >> everyone to understand that what you're looking at here is live so 230 in the morning and you've got a lot of you got a lot of traffic, you got a lot of cars going by as that picture zooming in a bit, you can see still the incredible amount of law enforcement and lights outside. bob, the thing about this, and then it is hard to have this conversation and not feel a little odd because we are in the context of a as of war going on, right? in ukraine. >> and yet >> in that context the united states had told russia somehow had had communications and told them to expect something like this intercepting intelligence that was specific and spot on saying that isis was determined to attack inside russia and

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then the us embassy issued specific warning last weekend, the embassy is monitoring reports that extremist have imminent plans to target large gatherings in moscow to include concerts us citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings. >> and we >> understand this was also passed to two russian authorities i mean, that is as specific and accurate as i've ever seen. one of these things to be bob oh, indeed it is. >> i think it's been picked up from chatter i don't know if it was actionable by a but if they didn't know where the concert was, the venue or the time, it would have been nice to have that the russians would have paid attention but the problem is, moscow is ty. it's very vulnerable in these attackers. keep in mind listening to the gunfire were very disciplined. they were executing people. this was not a pick-up team this is what should worry us and what should also worry about us is what's happening in afghanistan. because if indeed this is the

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islamic state of course on which is afghanistan, they are regrouping there and the attacking or against iran in january, a suicide bombing and cotton are and pakistan, it tells me that they are regrouping >> and that of course has massive implications for the united states as well general, the context here is also the war in ukraine and putin silence tonight what do you make of his silence? it's peskov who has come out and said he spokesperson dmitry peskov, that putin is being bruce briefed, but you have the biggest attack in decades on moscow scores dead and putin is silent. >> yeah, i'm going to address it. and what you just asked bob, aaron the six nations, the six embassies that warn moscow that this was a coming on 7 march through classified channels. there's something called a duty to warn when countries pick up chatter, like

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bob just said, on terrorist activities, even if you're giving the information to a foe or a competitor like russia is to us, you still have that duty to give that intelligence to their intelligence agency. i would suggest the reason why putin is being so quiet right now is he's a bit embarrassed his intelligence agency has received this information. they knew something was going to happen. it was even as specific to say that it could happen in a concert venue. and yet they did nothing about it as soon as it's attack occurred then other other cities in russia started to pay a tension. they shut down a concert and st. petersburg hours after this started happening in other cities throughout moscow. the same things started happening. so i would guess at least one of the reasons why we had heard from bouton as he's a little bit embarrassed that he received information from the west and he didn't act on it what is an incredible moment? and to think again what it does mean in the context of the war.

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thank you both so very much next we continue with our breaking coverage. we've got more news out of london right now. a prince william and his response to what his wife the kate had to say and what this means to him, right? thinking about the scrutiny that his mother suffered right up into her death plus trump, essentially now, during the new york attorney general to see some of his most prized sessions time is quickly running out for him to come up with 464 million. but his inner circle believe this is the winning strategy. we've got exclusive new reporting coming up what, you're doing just buying a car on carbonic already got pre-qualified in two minutes >> i can customize my terms, say my car is getting delivered in a couple of days delivered. where we financed and buying your car with carbonic today. >> what i look for in a contractor is someone who is reliable and guilty >> that's where angie comes in with top rated certified pros and over 500 categories. sandi can connect you with the right pro for any home projects, find

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support blood pressure and improve heart health. rush to walmart and find total bce >> i'm someone's are 40 and washington. and this is cnn tonight, king charles, who has also been diagnosed with cancer tonight, saying that he is so proud of princess kate and her announcement >> and that he has remained in his words, the closest contact with his beloved daughter-in-law. this is a new reaction from a stunned country, is just in two out front we just saw it and was very surprising and shocking. and we hope she's fine and she gets the treatment it's quite sad really. >> i feel very sympathetic for the family first the king now, now kate been quite shocked

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greenland >> this comes after weeks of speculation about her well-being as she had disappeared from the public eye. the reality of it is, is that she is the most photograph woman in the world. the world is so accustomed to seeing princess kate as one of the most visible, if not the most visible member of the royal family. nick, what, who has covered the royal family extensively is outfront it has been an incredibly tough couple of months for our entire family. >> a lady alone on a bench or princess who will be queen, having to explain her health issues to the world, tests off to the operation. khan cancer had been present. >> how did you get here? >> i'm catherine elizabeth middleton >> wasn't boring born into this. >> she was well, >> pretty ordinary, born in 1982 outside london. her dad and airline pilot or a mom or flight attendant. later they launched a party supplies company. they made their money. many among the british upper classes who tend to inherit,

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not earn can look down upon the self-made kate met her prints at st. andrews university, long favored by well-to-do young brits. william was already a global heartthrob apparently, kate caught his eye modelling in a student fashion show recreated on the crown >> 2004, they were >> spotted skiing together in switzerland. >> a couple >> they dated nearly seven years with one very brief break. kate was disparagingly dubbed weighty katie william was often the military. she worked briefly as a fashion buyer. william finally proposed on a trip to kenya in 2010. >> the timing is right now i'm very glad that and the wedding in 2011 was actually a fairy tale. the common era marrying the princess and actually a love match love was never a priority for some previous royal generations middleton

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family had to create a coat of arms for the huge date occasion. as i said, she wasn't born for this in 2012, princess catherine gave her first official speech. >> i fit a proud to be part of east anglia as children's hospices and to see the wonderful life changing work that you do >> thank you >> this has been a job ever since along with producing an air i think any any they want this feeling >> there's question with george, first of the three kids born in 2013, kate has suffered the scrutiny and intrusion that these days goes with the job william has bought for her spurred by the intrusion is mother suffered right up until her death, kate seemingly adopting the late queen's mantra, never complain never

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explain. glaring counterpoint when the harry and meghan show played out in public and threatened to pull the royal family apart. kate has continued with quiet, smiling service, >> a good egg >> as the brits might say a neck >> you've covered them so extensively, you've watched this weeks-long international media frenzy that has now taken over. and gotten out of control, but possibly well, in a way that they could not have foreseen. >> we >> understand prince william is upset about it, and for good reason and his own life, he compares it to how his mother, princess diana was treated. we're hearing yeah, listen i mean, diana just had to face the old fashion media, the newspaper, the paparazzi for kate. there's the social media on top of that and it's frankly the wild west, it's even harder to navigate. and as the years have gone by, the royals, i mean, their lives are really a soap opera that's how people enjoy them comparisons

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with diana have been from the start the words demure, beautiful used for both of them. the ring kate was wearing today actually, the engagement ring that was diana's engagement ring as well. you know, you mentioned i covered the royals for a long time. i was never a royalist. i would always consult with my mother, who was a huge royal fan, loved diana i went, kate came along. my mum said about kate. katie, the best thing that's ever happened to that family >> and so when you talk about diana, though, she in the context of what we're seeing now, she had health struggles of her own and her case she suffered from believed mia and she came out publicly. she then became an advocate for awareness to a condition that so many people suffer from. and she was really groundbreaking on it. he or she is >> i have it on very good authority that the quest's for perfection our society demands can leave the individual gasping for breath. at every

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turn. eating disorders whether it be anorexia or bulimia show how an individual can turn the nourishment of the body into a painful attack on themselves i mean incredibly open to talk about something at the time that for many was taboo and nick, in the context of where we are now, do you expect kate to become an advocate for her own illness when she chooses to disclose the full details about what she's dealing with well, listen, i mean, the end of that announcement today, she said, you know, she's thinking of the other people suffering from cancer and telling them not to lose hope or faith, but she the palace, everybody has made it very clear that right now this is going to be a very private issue for her and her family. she's not going to be out there anytime soon advocating as diana did it, a very different stage in her life right now. yeah, kate is dealing with her family and i

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prized assets. but one trump adviser who spoke to fill, basically daring james follow-through, take trump's properties. if phil mattingly is with us now along with ryan goodman, are out front legal experts, so fill in all this reporting even though you've talked to a whole bunch of people close to trump why? what are they telling you about? why they think seizing assets could be good? >> start up top with they don't want this to happen, right? and this cuts to the very core, not just of trump's political persona, but also his entire career but the reality is they point to two things. and i think they've got some evidence for those two things. >> one >> is the fact that over the course of 11 months he was indicted four times 88 charges has repeatedly chosen to go to courthouses and to court hearings, right. even when he didn't have to be there. and almost every time his numbers in the polling, at least with republicans, would go up, or at least stacy steady his fundraising every single time would get a boost. >> so >> they have seen a political incentive behind that.

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>> the >> other thing to look at too, is if you are on their lists and i hope for your email sake, your nadh, but you've been getting emails and text messages repeatedly talking about keep your hands off of trump tower. don't see trump. >> dirty hands after trump tower, >> the team behind that trump's fundraising team particular small dollar team they're not dumb, they're actually quite good at what they do. and if they're doing that repeatedly, they're getting results, they're seeing results. now the big question right now, clearly they can raise money off of it. clearly, they will make a very big political scene if properties are actually at the process to seize his properties begins the big question right now is he's an inch general election now, he's not any primary anymore. that was a very effective strategy and a primary will that actually work in a general, they say, look, this is about, are people coming home and voting that's what's going to turn out the election. that's what's going to decide this election but will that actually carry over there? >> an unchartered territory right now, >> right? right. and to your point you're going to your base and you're not expanding which both candidates are dealing with that issue right

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now. and ryan, the context though, around what phyllis things as $464 million, that trump has had filings. he doesn't have the money what it was it 30 or 60 and losing track of how many bond companies he tried to secure 30. 30. okay. >> and he couldn't get the money and all of a sudden he goes on truth, social, his social media website. and as through hard work talent, good hard work talent and luck, i currently have almost 500 million in cash. and his lawyers are like, oh, no, we means over his whole career, no, but he said it currently have. so then he does have the money. >> okay. >> what does this mean for a judge? >> i think the issue is that he maybe does have let's imagine he has 400 million. he also has also saying in court that he needs 1 billion in order to both pay the 464 million and have over a huge amount to run his businesses and they might be other loans in which they actually need them to have cash on hand. so that's quite plausible that he has visible it's all true. it's all true, but that also means he is sitting on north are $400 million. and that's exactly what the attorney general can

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go after. it's easier to go after the liquid assets than it is to go after these properties also avoid some of the optics of going after the properties. but that's available to her to do and just to note, when you talk about the money what did he needs it for loans for other things he's also got the nearly $100 million. >> it had >> already pledged for the e jean carroll defamation case so it adds up well beyond 464 bankruptcy comes here and people say, what do you do? do you just file for bankruptcy now, six times trump organizations and assets have filed for bankruptcy. bankruptcy, not him. personally. he actually talked about this, i believe is charlie rose his fear of it personally. here's what he said >> i think overall jolly, it was it was an experience that i don't think i want to go through it again, i have to tell you this. i mean, you know what it's like, it's you're really in a position where i think that if you had to do it again, i'm not sure you could. i went through a period of two years that was truly tough.

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>> in what way? >> well, you know, you have parents and you have people that adore you and you have people that for 15 years, nothing went wrong. and then all of a sudden, the world seems to be coming to an end. >> so is there any chance he files for bankruptcy and does this whole truth, social social media site, but may through a complicated financial process, start trading publicly >> next, you don't know and understand what kind of financial how does all this play? so two separate things i think have been discussed one more serious than the other, and former being bankruptcy being discussed more seriously in the sense of as one person told me, no chance. absolutely fascinating thing. and i think you made this point, somebody, in your team in this point, i thought it was such a great point. their entire legal strategy up to this point has been dilatory, delay, delay, delay, push this intimate very three successful at that up to this point, it's been a solid strategy for his legal team. this would delay things if he files for bankruptcy on the business side when it comes to

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the collection of his money. the reality is, there's two issues here. there's the personal and you heard it and that's not the only clip coming out of the early '90s. he was dealing with the casino and the bankruptcies in really difficult issues that were almost catastrophic for his entire business. girls ended it entirely. that's never gone away so much of what you hear from trump is tied to things that he's experienced in his career. people think he's all off the cuff and just making things up. you can track back most things to something he's already gone through. that personal element here is really important. he was burned and has a visit thorough response to it. the other is the political when your entire persona is built around this, i'm a business tycoon and i'm a billionaire and think about how hard he would fight about the forbes list, right? how much money do you have? and he'd go to war over that type stuff. that's everything to him and i think he's cognizant that there's potential political risks. there, something that everybody associates with failure, right? >> the one thing doesn't care about the court doesn't care about losing in course, but losing his money, that that that would be failure. so much of its psychology. all right. thank you, phil. thank you. ryan

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for free visit otter.ai, ai or download the app >> anderson cooper 360. >> next on cnn you're looking at live pictures. this is trump tower in midtown manhattan. right now. it is the crown jewel of trump properties towering over fifth avenue trump saying his quote, married to it. >> and if >> trump can't come up with that $464 million by monday, he could lose it trump's properties are seized. he would join an infamous club of high-profile figures who've had their states publicly sees to pay off their debts. tom form and takes a look out front money from his nfl days, his movies has commercials. it was all in theory up procedure after oj simpson found not guilty of murder in 1995, was held civilly liable nearly two years later for the deaths of his ex-wife, nicole brown simpson, and ronald goldman in

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short order, he owed the victims families more than $30 with our family is grateful for a verdict of responsibility which is all we ever wanted. >> but although authorities razed to fulfill the judgment, even seizing and selling off oj's heisman trophy and attorney for nicole's a state says, oj's wealth was locked up, an untouchable pensions. his car was least his house heavily mortgaged. and what was left rugs, kristel probe the golf clubs expansion, furniture, and things like that. those were the only things we could get and eventually auction to offer about maybe million and a half box seizing and selling assets in such cases can be complex and moves very slowly. take the new york stock market scammer who saw authorities seize his bank accounts, his homes, his boats. it's been 15 years

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since bernie made ofs guilty plea, but investors only recently announced they've recovered just over 90% of what he stole from them, which many experts actually call a big success in this business when someone has an enormous amount of wealth and a lot of assets a lot of partners, and it's super complicated that makes it, it drags it out and it's unfortunate because you're right then justice takes much longer and people have to wait in florida, a court justice year ordered the seizure of more than 63 million in assets from a miami commissioner for engaging in an improper political retaliation haitian, but he's fighting to keep us house, which is slowing the process some cases go faster in new york's scores of ice cream trucks were seized after the city said, owners racked up millions and traffic tickets and, some cases don't seem difficult at all. a few years ago, a man was accused of looting and sell priceless cambodian antiquities, but died

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before answering criminal charges. his family has returned more than 100 relics to cambodia and in 2023 agreed to forfeit $12 and a vietnamese stash two >> but >> often the process of seizing property to satisfy a court ruling gets complicated. and frankly, a little weird. years ago, oj wrote a very controversial book about how he would commit the murders if he had done it. the rights to that were seized and. there now considered basically worthless. aaron. >> all right. tom. thank you very much. and thanks so much to all of you for joining us on this friday ac30 60 takes over now tonight on 362 stories. think shockwaves around the world and russia at least 40 killed more than 100 wounded in the mass shooting on our horrific scale at a concert venue outside moscow, with isis now claiming responsibility and the gunman apparently stil

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